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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Now that's some kind of sophisticated parsing there!  You were expecting something different?  Quote:
All three versions are released on the exact same day, but they are not different versions of the same release, just in different formats (versions)?  To me, a single disc, a 2-disc, a widescreen and a fullscreen would be different versions. Quote:
You guys are way too literal. I am making a "devil's advocate" argument here. I just happened to pick Blu ray/HD-DVD as a for instance. Again, you were expecting something different? I can't speak for Max, but I know Pete is as literal as I am...though I don't know whether or not that is a good thing.  Quote:
There is other information (as I pointed out earleir) that appears on the DVD cover that could be used to "distinguish" between versions" that is never put in the Edition field, becasue everyone knows that you can't just pluck what you want from the cover and put it in there, or worse pick something that's not on the cover at all and put it in there. As I said, I agree with you. I just can't argue against something that is used as an example in the rules. I am, however, all for fixing the rule if that is what you guys want.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FUBAR: Quote:
Sheesh, I got 2 negative votes for the above. Perhaps those who voted negatively could explain what was so bad in what I said. This would be of benefit for the future as I don't wish to offend anyone unduly. I got a negative vote on my 'missing the boat' post. While I can guess who gave me the vote, I am not going to stress about it. People will be offended if they choose to be. ::shrug:: | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 347 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MolBioRennie: Quote:
While voting on a contribution I found a perfect example for "edition needed even if not in a banner". Take a look at Shrek 2. Two releases identical except for "widescreen" and "full screen" on the bottom right of the cover (and the fine print on the back, of course). These two releases need to be distinguished in the "Add by Title" list, and it couldn't be done if "only called an edition in a prominent banner" applied. I am not sure if I totally understand what you are saying here. The fact that they have WIDESCREEN or FULLSCREEN in the bottom right corner of the cover is reason enough to put that information into the data as EDITION. I did a search by title and did find that Shrek 2 is indeed in there and there is a FULLSCREN version ... but it is not labeled as such. If you have this particular version ... you could do a contribution to add that to the EDITION . That would totally be within the guidlines as I read the rules. The edition does not HAVE to be in a banner ... just should be stated on the front cover. . | | | | Antec Nine Hundred case, 4GB A-Data DDR2 800 RAM, Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz, ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP MB, XFX GeForce 8600GT XXX 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 video card, ZALMAN CNPS9500 AT 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink, Seagate Barracuda 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s HDD, Zerodba 620W PSU, LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD with LightScribe SATA, Samsung CDDVDW SH-S203B SATA, Hanns-G HH281 28" monitor, Kodak ESP3250 printer, Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 speakers, Windows 7 Professional |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,118 |
| | Posted: | | | | Do we know of any releases which offer both widescreen and fullscreen versions which do not state it on the front cover? I would think it would be bad labelling if they didn't. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mwkirchner: Quote:
Quoting MolBioRennie:
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While voting on a contribution I found a perfect example for "edition needed even if not in a banner". Take a look at Shrek 2. Two releases identical except for "widescreen" and "full screen" on the bottom right of the cover (and the fine print on the back, of course). These two releases need to be distinguished in the "Add by Title" list, and it couldn't be done if "only called an edition in a prominent banner" applied.
I am not sure if I totally understand what you are saying here.
The fact that they have WIDESCREEN or FULLSCREEN in the bottom right corner of the cover is reason enough to put that information into the data as EDITION.
I did a search by title and did find that Shrek 2 is indeed in there and there is a FULLSCREN version ... but it is not labeled as such.
If you have this particular version ... you could do a contribution to add that to the EDITION . That would totally be within the guidlines as I read the rules.
The edition does not HAVE to be in a banner ... just should be stated on the front cover.
. It don't even have to be the front cover... rules just say on the dvd box. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Doombear: Quote:
Do we know of any releases which offer both widescreen and fullscreen versions which do not state it on the front cover? I would think it would be bad labelling if they didn't. Can't name them off the top of my head, but yes, there are several. If I can locate a few, I'll re-reply. | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 347 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Doombear: Quote:
Do we know of any releases which offer both widescreen and fullscreen versions which do not state it on the front cover? I would think it would be bad labelling if they didn't. DATE MOVIE, DYING YOUNG, ET, FAST FOOD NATION, THE ROSE, SILVER STREAK, UNFAITHFUL, X-MEN ... to name a few that widescreen only shows up in a banner on the back | | | | Antec Nine Hundred case, 4GB A-Data DDR2 800 RAM, Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz, ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP MB, XFX GeForce 8600GT XXX 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 video card, ZALMAN CNPS9500 AT 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink, Seagate Barracuda 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s HDD, Zerodba 620W PSU, LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD with LightScribe SATA, Samsung CDDVDW SH-S203B SATA, Hanns-G HH281 28" monitor, Kodak ESP3250 printer, Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 speakers, Windows 7 Professional |
| | Registered: May 25, 2007 | | Posts: 176 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I don't know what event you are talking about, Unicus. You weren't involved in the conception process. That was TWO users who I am intimately acquainted with. So you have nothing to remember in that regard.
Skip Quoting FUBAR: Quote:
I think the thing that frosts me about Skip's responses is the idea he forwards that he doesn't bend the rules as others do because he goes by intent. What he in reality is saying is: Ignore the rules in this case because they weren't meant to say what they do say. This means he is bending the rules. He just doesn't think he is. Poor misguided Skip. So far as I can interpret Skip's posts, he is saying that we should all interpret the rules according to some secret knowledge that only he has. Taken to a logical extreme, this would mean PMing him before making any vote to find out what his shadowy connections tell him apparently-clearly worded rules actually mean, in which case we're better off not having actual written rules in the first place. To my mind, we can only interpret rules by what they actually say, and not what someone* totally pinkie-swears it's meant to say, if only we'd been there for the super-secret best friends meeting where it was all discussed... *with the obvious exception on Ken, but in that case, I'd expect the rule in question to be re-written for clarity. | | | | Last edited: by wintermute115 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 347 |
| | Posted: | | | | I gotta think that Ken & Geri have been reading this post and can only hope that they can find it in their hearts to re-write that rule in such a way that there is absolutely no way anyone could interpret it any other way then the way it is meant to be.
Right now there is way too much confusion amongst everyone. The rule should be cut & dry and have no loop holes. | | | | Antec Nine Hundred case, 4GB A-Data DDR2 800 RAM, Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz, ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP MB, XFX GeForce 8600GT XXX 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 video card, ZALMAN CNPS9500 AT 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink, Seagate Barracuda 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s HDD, Zerodba 620W PSU, LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD with LightScribe SATA, Samsung CDDVDW SH-S203B SATA, Hanns-G HH281 28" monitor, Kodak ESP3250 printer, Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 speakers, Windows 7 Professional | | | | Last edited: by mwkirchner |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | | Chris | | | | Last edited: by cmaeditor |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Doombear: Quote:
Do we know of any releases which offer both widescreen and fullscreen versions which do not state it on the front cover? I would think it would be bad labelling if they didn't. My copy of the original release of The Passion of the Christ shows Widescreen Edition on the back, nothing on the front, and there was also a full screen edition. The Definitive Edition, which came out 2.5 years later, also has Widescreen Edition on the back with Definitive Edition on the front. There wasn't a full screen edition of the Definitive Edition. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mwkirchner: Quote:
I gotta think that Ken & Geri have been reading this post and can only hope that they can find it in their hearts to re-write that rule in such a way that there is absolutely no way anyone could interpret it any other way then the way it is meant to be.
Right now there is way too much confusion amongst everyone. The rule should be cut & dry and have no loop holes. Absolutely NO confusion here. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,678 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cmaeditor: Quote:
IMO Having the Full Screen Edition Labeled as such is enough to tell the difference since none of the ones with Widescreen have the banner across the top. Out of the 7 only 3 have Widescreen as the edition already. Well, this discussion has moved from SW I specifically to Widescreen vs Fullscrenn in general where they are not marked on the front cover. However - the fact that you can find one release of a title with "Full Screen" on the front doesn't automatically mean that any version of said title w/o the banner is widescreen. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Gunnar:
The Rules mean what they mean, inventing data out of whole cloth is unacceptable, which i what you are talking aboiut. The Full Screen Edition does have a banner and is labeled as such and thus is distinguished from its Widescreen cousin. You are trynig to support the creation of Edition data when there is NONE, in fact by taking information from the Featuyres and turning that into Edition data. At best you are misguided and desperately trying to pervert the Rules to your own ends. A number of people including myslf have tried to explain this to you, patience wears thin.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
It don't even have to be the front cover... rules just say on the dvd box. Exactly. That's what the Rule says, and anything else is interpretation. Maybe right, maybe wrong, but when it comes to interpretions I would never be 100 percent sure. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Absolutely NO confusion here.
Skip Just this thread shows there is more than one way to read that Rule. | | | | -- Enry |
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