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Zsa Zsa Gabor, How to list second "Zsa" |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | You never cease to amaze me with the stupidiity of your knowledge or lack thereof, This is now a setteled issue.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 813 |
| Posted: | | | | You need to read back Skippy, you were the one that lacked the knowledge that it was Zsa Zsa//Gabor ![](/images/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) | | | Andy ![](http://www.lopek.com/images/filmtv/calvinhobbes/hobbes.gif)
"Credited as" Names Database |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Lopek: No one presented anything until that picture which was conclusive. Unlike you I don't make presumptions, we have a default position of First/Middle/Last and several times I said that without documentation that was the starting point. I do not KNOW Miss Gabor beyond her work, she has had 8 husbands over the years, so, do you possess some special knowledge because you were one of them. ![](/images/emoticons/devilish.gif) Or are you making an ASSumption based on the sketchy comments like Zsa Zsa is a common Hungarian nickname, perhaps you subscribe to making an ASS of U and Me, I don't. I want enough infoprmation to come up with a correct, or reasonably correct answer. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 813 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: ...we have a default position of First/Middle/Last and several times I said that without documentation that was the starting point. No we don't - you may have have, but parsing is nowhere in the rules. There is no default position at all. As for the rest, it was just your usual arrogant drivel which I'll ignore. | | | Andy ![](http://www.lopek.com/images/filmtv/calvinhobbes/hobbes.gif)
"Credited as" Names Database |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: ![Highest Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/4.png) | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | I have contributed the following to reflect what seems like a majority in that Zsa Zsa Gabor should be listed with the second "Zsa" as being part of her first name, and not her middle name.
The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air: The Complete Second Season 012569-707696 May 14, 2007
A Very Brady Sequel: Widescreen Collection 097363-324447 May 14, 2007
So this now connects her to her other films/ TV such as Naked Gun 2 1/2 and Queen of Outer Space. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Lopek:
Why did you bring YOUR brand of drivel here AFTER the discussion had already concluded. Answer just to be insulting. so shut up already.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: ![High Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/1.png) | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | I've just amended my version of Nightmare on Elm St 3, unfortunately I have no other Zsa Zsa movies in my collection... ![](/images/emoticons/cry.gif) |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 813 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Lopek:
Why did you bring YOUR brand of drivel here AFTER the discussion had already concluded. Answer just to be insulting. so shut up already.
Skip Because I wanted to voice my opinion on the subject, it was an open thread, and so it was my right to do so. You are not the forum police, you can't decide when discussions are over or when people should shut up - except of course yourself! Hint Hint ![](/images/emoticons/wiseguy.gif) | | | Andy ![](http://www.lopek.com/images/filmtv/calvinhobbes/hobbes.gif)
"Credited as" Names Database |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: ![High Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/1.png) | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Lopek:
Why did you bring YOUR brand of drivel here AFTER the discussion had already concluded. Answer just to be insulting. so shut up already.
Skip Could you please explain to me how a mugshot that says "Gabor, Zsa-Zsa" settles the Zsa Zsa//Gabor issue for you and why film credits of Helena Bonham-Carter did not settle the Helena//Bonham Carter issue for you and film credits of Mark Boone, Jr. did not settle the Mark//Boone Junior issue for you? | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Shut up Lopek, it's over already.
James:
That's easy credits are just that credits, the only legal backing toi them is the contract that says how she will be credited for THAT film. The mugshot, I PRESUME, I suppose it could be wrong but I give the police the benefit of the doubt for getting it right, represents probably as close as we could get to a legal document which might shed light on this topic. As I believe I pointed at during the HBC caper, thge actress mayt well have made legal changes to her name that we were not aware of. I believe I also suggetsed that IF we could find a series of credits H/B-C, H/B/C and then H/B-C again that would provide a prima facie case for parsing her name. As I have said before, I start from square one and buildout from there and I do not make assumptions, or try to bend data to meet a pre-conceived opinion. If we do that, we are constructing a house of sand that will not withstand the storm of scrutiny. I am trying very hard to lay a solid foundation, you can help or not, you can choose as some do to be insulting and make derogatory or not, all of that is your choice. But it will not sway me from continuing to try to build a solid foundation for this database.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 52 |
| Posted: | | | | I find it hilarious that Skip finds a mugshot slate conclusive, when it merely reflects what the booking officer wrote down. How does this settle anything?
By the way, Skip, it is actually rare for someone to go by both first and middle names. But, even accepting your erroneous assertion that the opposite is true, how many women have you met named Ellen Ellen or Elizabeth Elizabeth? I would wager that the answer is none. So why does Zsa Zsa sound reasonable as first and middle name? You are just being obstinate.
Further, why do you not now debate whether it should be Zsa-Zsa or Zsa Zsa? |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: ![High Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/1.png) | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: James:
That's easy credits are just that credits, the only legal backing toi them is the contract that says how she will be credited for THAT film. The mugshot, I PRESUME, I suppose it could be wrong but I give the police the benefit of the doubt for getting it right, represents probably as close as we could get to a legal document which might shed light on this topic. As I believe I pointed at during the HBC caper, thge actress mayt well have made legal changes to her name that we were not aware of. I believe I also suggetsed that IF we could find a series of credits H/B-C, H/B/C and then H/B-C again that would provide a prima facie case for parsing her name. As I have said before, I start from square one and buildout from there and I do not make assumptions, or try to bend data to meet a pre-conceived opinion. If we do that, we are constructing a house of sand that will not withstand the storm of scrutiny. I am trying very hard to lay a solid foundation, you can help or not, you can choose as some do to be insulting and make derogatory or not, all of that is your choice. But it will not sway me from continuing to try to build a solid foundation for this database.
Skip I'm not trying to be insulting or derogatory. I'm just flabbergasted that a mugshot has any validity on this discussion at all. For mugshots, you assume the cop got it right. For film credits, you assume the actor is changing their legal name back and forth. I don't know what to say. ![](/images/emoticons/shocked.gif) | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: ![High Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/1.png) | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote: Quoting skipnet50:
Quote: James:
That's easy credits are just that credits, the only legal backing toi them is the contract that says how she will be credited for THAT film. The mugshot, I PRESUME, I suppose it could be wrong but I give the police the benefit of the doubt for getting it right, represents probably as close as we could get to a legal document which might shed light on this topic. As I believe I pointed at during the HBC caper, thge actress mayt well have made legal changes to her name that we were not aware of. I believe I also suggetsed that IF we could find a series of credits H/B-C, H/B/C and then H/B-C again that would provide a prima facie case for parsing her name. As I have said before, I start from square one and buildout from there and I do not make assumptions, or try to bend data to meet a pre-conceived opinion. If we do that, we are constructing a house of sand that will not withstand the storm of scrutiny. I am trying very hard to lay a solid foundation, you can help or not, you can choose as some do to be insulting and make derogatory or not, all of that is your choice. But it will not sway me from continuing to try to build a solid foundation for this database.
Skip I'm not trying to be insulting or derogatory. I'm just flabbergasted that a mugshot has any validity on this discussion at all.
For mugshots, you assume the cop got it right.
For film credits, you assume the actor is changing their legal name back and forth.
I don't know what to say. ![](/images/emoticons/shocked.gif) James, your mistake is that you are trying to apply logic to the illogical! ![](/images/emoticons/confused.gif) | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Posts: 103 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Shut up Lopek, it's over already.
Skip I love that we can all get along so well around here. Just puts a ![](/images/emoticons/grin.gif) on my face. I love you all !!! Now why can't we all get along??? |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting EPKJ: Quote: I find it hilarious that Skip finds a mugshot slate conclusive, when it merely reflects what the booking officer wrote down. How does this settle anything?
By the way, Skip, it is actually rare for someone to go by both first and middle names. But, even accepting your erroneous assertion that the opposite is true, how many women have you met named Ellen Ellen or Elizabeth Elizabeth? I would wager that the answer is none. So why does Zsa Zsa sound reasonable as first and middle name? You are just being obstinate.
Further, why do you not now debate whether it should be Zsa-Zsa or Zsa Zsa? LOL, EPK, you aren't terribly familiar with US customs are you. Give me a break. Skip ![](/images/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting m.cellophane:
Quote: Quoting skipnet50:
Quote: James:
That's easy credits are just that credits, the only legal backing toi them is the contract that says how she will be credited for THAT film. The mugshot, I PRESUME, I suppose it could be wrong but I give the police the benefit of the doubt for getting it right, represents probably as close as we could get to a legal document which might shed light on this topic. As I believe I pointed at during the HBC caper, thge actress mayt well have made legal changes to her name that we were not aware of. I believe I also suggetsed that IF we could find a series of credits H/B-C, H/B/C and then H/B-C again that would provide a prima facie case for parsing her name. As I have said before, I start from square one and buildout from there and I do not make assumptions, or try to bend data to meet a pre-conceived opinion. If we do that, we are constructing a house of sand that will not withstand the storm of scrutiny. I am trying very hard to lay a solid foundation, you can help or not, you can choose as some do to be insulting and make derogatory or not, all of that is your choice. But it will not sway me from continuing to try to build a solid foundation for this database.
Skip I'm not trying to be insulting or derogatory. I'm just flabbergasted that a mugshot has any validity on this discussion at all.
For mugshots, you assume the cop got it right.
For film credits, you assume the actor is changing their legal name back and forth.
I don't know what to say. ![](/images/emoticons/shocked.gif)
James, your mistake is that you are trying to apply logic to the illogical! ![](/images/emoticons/confused.gif) The master of logic speaks, all bow. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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