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-- I assume it's because all the indices are rebuilt during that process ... but I'm now wondering if this may also be related to the plugin.

It would be highly useful to undestand that. I suggest disabling and / or uninstalling the plugin during the update sessions. That's the best way to see if there is a pattern. You will be doing me and the community a big favor if your experience can help shed some light on this. Thanks.

Edit: Actually, I would disable all of my plugins if you have others, such as BulkEdit. Plugins are supposed to be independent, but maybe it is possible that code from the same author somehow can create a conflict. Not sure about this. Just trying to cover all the bases.

Quoting garycase:

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... but apparently (based on a few error-free hours) these errors do not occur with LoadDVD disabled.

Good info, thanks. I might contact you by PM if you are willing to test a fix attempt. Stuff like this is hard to debug until you can consistently reproduce the problem and not-the-problem. Seems like your system environment allows you to do that, so if I attempt a fix, it will give me more confidence if it works on your system.

Actually the best clue so far is the delay that is correlated to the number of discs in the profile. I suspect I have a bug in the process of building the toolbar icons. Sometimes I have found that bugs don't manifest themselves immediately, but the memory corruption causes problems when Profiler closes down and tries to unload the plugin. If you are willing to try changing the LoadDVD option to use toolbar text instead of icons, that would nail it, if the the problem goes away.

Quoting garycase:

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If you want me to be a guinea pig for mods to the plugin, feel free to PM me 

Thanks. This is frustrating because I use LoadDVD myself on both 3.1 and 3.5 and I'm not getting that error. By the way, I'm using V 1.50 with 3.5 on Vista Home Premium and V 1.50 with 3.1 on MCE 2005.

But wait, I'm not editing any profiles. I'll try that, but how that would relate to LoadDVD escapes me for the momemnt.

Edit: Yup, that was it. No sooner than I edited a profile, did I see the error when I closed Profiler.

Best clues yet.

Just for completeness ... I use LoadDVD v1.5 on Profiler v3.5.1 (Build 1252) on both Vista Ultimate and XP Pro [Both fully up-to-date ... i.e. SP1 on Vista and SP3 on XP with all subssequent updates] => and get the same errors on both.  I've also got an MCE 2005 system, but haven't installed Profiler on it yet -- I'll do that in the next few days just to see if the errors are consistent (I suspect they are).

But the errors are much less prevalent since I've now got my collection essentially entered (I've been doing a bit of "clean-up" for a few entries the last couple days & just had a few errors).

I did have some like that, but don't believe there are any more -- I'll check.

I noticed something today that might be helpful (it's also a real nuisance !!):

=> If I click on a movie and get a memory access error, the "center section" of Profiler (General Info, Notes, Overview, etc.) "freezes" -- i.e. after I ignore the error (with a click on OK), Profiler SEEMS to work fine ... but the info in that center section doesn't change => it reflects the data from the movie that was there when the error occurred.  The only way I've found to resolve it is to just shut down Profiler and reload it.

... this never occurs if LoadDVD is disabled.  Unfortunately, what I'm doing right now (~ a 2-week project at a few hours/day) is going through the list and "Playing" every movie at high speed -- to both confirm I've got all the play links set right and to confirm the on-disk rips are good; so clearly I have to leave LoadDVD enabled.

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... an update to that issue r.e. "freezing" in the center pane.  It just happened again ... and I checked it more thoroughly.  Apparently only the "General Info" pane freezes -- the Notes & Overview still change with the next movie you select.  It may depend on what's being viewed when the freezes happens ... I usually have the General Info screen up.

In any event, it plays the correct movie if you click on the LoadDVD Play button.

This is getting way out of hand. First of all, I thought that the access errors happened during Profiler closing. Now it seems like you are saying it happens when you click on a movie. If you said that before, I misunderstood. And this business with "freezing" - this is the first report of that. Since none of this stuff happens to me, I wonder if I will ever figure out what is going on. Also what makes me wonder is why I don't get more reports of this. LoadDVD has over 10,000 hits on my web site. I am guessing that there are a few users out there, and a bug this serious should have a bunch of them screaming at me. So, I just wonder if it might be helpful to compare notes amoung those relatively few people that are having this problem to see if there is a pattern of usage or some system configuration that LoadDVD is conflicting with.

I had one remaining profile with no discs assigned => "Star Trek - The Motion Pictures Collection", which had ten child profiles that DID have movies assigned.  Just for grins, I added one movie to the main profile (simply made it point to the original "Star Trek - The Motion Picture").

So as of now, EVERY profile has at least one disc (many have more -- up to 7); and "Play" is in the location field for EVERY disc.

I just made the change above r.e. Star Trek -- I had not "clicked" on that profile in a long time (probably at least a week, as I've been doing other cleanup stuff) ... but just in case the blank entry may have some side-effect, it's no longer there.

Next time I click on a profile and get the error, I'll note which profile and let you know if there's anything unique about it.  I HAVE noticed that on several occasions, and tried clicking on the same one after shutting down and restarting Profiler -- but I've never had it repeat the issue on the same one.  As I've noted already, I'm fairly sure this only happens when you've made some edits (not necessarily to the profile that then causes an issue).

Well ... I had a couple of interesting things happen today.  I was going down the list checking the details of a bunch of movies (& playing a bit of them to be sure I had all the LoadDVD settings right).

I had just done "Balls of Fury" ... then clicked on Bandidas.  The result was the first screen I'll add to this post (I'm not sure how this is going to format, so I'll do all the images last).  There is NOTHING unusual about either "Balls of Fury" or "Bandidas" => they both have "Play" in the location field; and both have a Notes field like this:  "[filepath]\\Media\DVDs\Bandidas\video_ts\video_ts.ifo[/filepath]"  (except, of course, the folder name is different for each movie)

After I clicked OK on the error, Profiler would still work -- and would still play the correct movie if I selected a different movie and clicked on the "Main Feature" button => but note that the cast list in the center was "frozen" at the cast from "Balls of Fury" -- the last movie I'd looked at before the error.
The second image I'll post below shows this (with Batman & Robin selected on the left -- but it doesn't matter ... ANY movie will still have that cast list until you shut down & restart Profiler).

The above error is fairly typical of what I encounter with some regularity (it was much more common when I was entering all my movies the past few weeks; but now just happens a couple times a day).  It NEVER happens if I disable LoadDVD -- I've spent several hours trying to induce it; making lots of changes, etc.  [I entered my last 300 or so movies with LoadDVD disabled after I realized from our discussion here that it was probably related to LoadDVD and not a Profiler bug -- and I'm convinced that's true now.]

A much less typical error -- but one I've also noted a few times over the past few weeks -- much more rarely (happened today, but doesn't happen every day) ... is a quick string of error messages - sometimes blank (like today); sometimes with the typical memory access violation; and Profiler gets completely hung ... have to use Task Manager to shut it down.  Since it happened today, I've also included a shot of it => I had just edited the "Bad Boys" profile, and was scrolling down the cast list when it happened.

One really good thing -- I have never noticed any data corruption as a result of these errors.  SOMETHING gets messed up; as it takes MUCH longer for LoadDVD to draw the LoadDVD icons after several of the errors; but a simple "Repair" of the database always fixes that.  I've got in the habit of doing a repair pretty frequently if I've been adding a lot of data.  As I noted the other day, it's also MUCH faster if I leave the Icons turned off and just let it show the disk descriptions across the top.

Enough for now.  Here are the three images I discussed ...

... Well, it seems the "Insert Image" button doesn't insert an image -- it just lets me post a URL to an image.  I don't have the images uploaded anywhere, so I can't insert them here.  If you'll PM me an e-mail address I'll be glad to send them to you.